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welcome to new realities coming up is

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john ramirez xcia agent reaction to the

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congressional hearings on uaps but

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before i get to that i just want to tell

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john it's so great to have your

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expertise on this um

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and what an what an interesting day

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right for the first time in 50 years

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that

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it's trickled down to the house and

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trickled down to us and

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here it is um being broadcast on youtube

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and john has been um really

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interested in this his whole life once

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retired he worked in the signal

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processing unit of um

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the cia and he's been

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you know really understanding this from

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the the inside you know

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done and he's also just really

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you know been been a supporter of

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citizens groups to really get down to a

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peaceful understanding of what's going

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on so we're grateful to have him part of

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a community that's um here um talking

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about disclosure we're really honored to

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have you here today

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and what did we see today john what

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didn't we see

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hoping to see

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well um am i being heard yes yes you

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sound good yes um what we saw was an

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internal process uh hearing

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because um i got that internally within

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the intelligence community

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especially on the military side of the

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intelligence community

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there's been a lot of

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efforts to

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suppress information

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from the rank-and-file military to

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report what they see so that's the

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stigma it's not just

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of us we the people

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uh of reporting um that that might be

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addressed later but for this it's

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processed within the department of

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defense because they're setting up this

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uh i guess they're calling it

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so i'll use that um

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uh to

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military people especially on the

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intelligence side those that are poor

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deploy who are seeing these objects

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report these objects without having

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their careers impacted

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and so with this uh aim sock process the

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the congress wanted to make sure that

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that process

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is starting so that reports will come in

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because a lot of folks have seen these

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objects uh in the military and uh just

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like civilian airline pilots before

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they didn't want their careers to be

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impacted so a lot of this was process

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oriented from congress as part of their

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oversight responsibilities what do you

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have in place and

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is there a

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mechanism to get data in

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that's what you saw it was not about

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anything to do with disseminating

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information or disclosing information

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about uaps

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and so if we're expecting that that

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might happen in the future

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uh one thing i would point out is that

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the house permanent select committee on

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and they are not uh bound by the ndaa

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oversight is the responsibility of the

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armed services committees of both the

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house and the senate this is the house

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which um they

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produce the iaa the uh intelligence

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authorization act

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and they have a 90-day reporting

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requirement to congress so this is the

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first of the 90 days and 90 days from

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his now we should get another hearing

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um i encourage that will be more

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frequent hearings and it might open up

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these other topics later but you're you

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were formally with the cia what is your

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background particularly yes i was a cia

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officer i started and uh signals

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intelligence which was why i was

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interested in when one of the

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congressmen asked about these

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radio frequency combinations coming from

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these crash that

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were detected i i peaked my interest

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i served in an organization called the

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office of scientific and weapons

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research oswr

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which later became

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uh wind pack weapons intelligent

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proliferation and arm control now those

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two are like one preceded the other so

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hostwr was first in my career and then

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these are the actual

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ufo study

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offices when we study

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space objects or like uh adversarial

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true adversarial uh advanced uh aircraft

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capabilities and the process of studying

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uh our day jobs we started getting

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reporting from the field about uaps and

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ufos including what was detected uh

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overseas so we didn't look at what was

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inside the united states was we're not

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we were collecting data from china from

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russia from latin america

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like to your point alan you know the

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entire world has been you know reporting

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this and so cia looked at those kind of

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and uh so i was in that office uh just

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the sideline

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kick green who was in the weird desk was

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in the predecessor office of scientific

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intelligence and also he ended his

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career in the same office that i was in

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the office of scientific weapons

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research so he had the weird desk

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associated with ufos and all of that

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so that was my background wait so the

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cia knows that there are i would say

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craft from other worlds here and

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why is it really national security or is

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it protecting some other

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corporate interests or something that

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we're not hearing the truth here today

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i would say um we know there are craft

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associated with any terrestrial

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uh a lot of us uh formers

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who are now coming out are uh stating

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that there are two types of hypotheses

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that we believe is happening one is

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inter-dimensional

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and the other is ultra-terrestrial that

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is um there are

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they were here before humans arrived and

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interdimensional aspect is there might

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be other elevated higher consciousness

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beings that don't need spacecraft to get

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and you know we have channelers and we

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have experiencers who also contact

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these entities um and

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whether they call themselves or

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self-identify as actuarians or

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palladians or whatever uh they're not

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flesh and blood like uh beings uh like

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the older terrestrials

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so are we ever going to hear that truth

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are we ever is anyone ever going to say

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guess what

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because what you said either they're

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interdimensional ultra teresa they're

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we're they're we're not talking about

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humans and

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so are we ever going to get that

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from government you think

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i don't know that's the biggest question

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i have um you know jim semivan myself

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and louis lozano we kind of hint at you

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where we should be looking um

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a lot of the remote viewers you know

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that the military had um also say that

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you know there is a galactic federation

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there is uh a world out there of these

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other beings um who have some interest

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in us and how we develop as a species so

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that we don't destroy our planet

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and because they're all

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ultra-terrestrial we don't destroy them

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so i don't know when that would happen

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allen because that that's a bridge that

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is hard to build

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from where we're at now uh to that

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but those on the inside kind of know

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that you know there's a program

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because if you want to look at this

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stuff scientifically

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um we're actually developing body

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sensors and things like that that are

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alluding to these facts you know so joe

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dispenses actually just got super

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millions of dollars of funding and

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they're showing how the blood changes

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during meditation so and and our radio

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research that we've been doing with it

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with um

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jimmy blanchett and it's like it's like

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well no one can explain how that's even

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possible so i think our sensor

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technology is getting better right so

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it's not like oh i just had a telepathic

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thing it's like no

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i i'm getting a radio signal and we're

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also i mean you know brain wearables are

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also picking up on you know we

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understand what thoughts are coming into

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someone's brain now like we can say oh

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they're thinking about a couch you know

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so all this stuff is evolving and i

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i know that we're disappointed about

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what happened there on tv you know on tv

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today but i think what's interesting is

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the fact that it seems like this nested

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doll right it's like so so we know that

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millions and millions and billions of

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dollars probably has been spent over

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this in the last you know whatever 70

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years right

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um and none of them are you know it's

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all classified black budgeted no one's

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talking to anybody but this has already

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trickled down to the house you know what

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i mean who's who's more you know

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representatives of the people that are

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you know asking these questions and

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starting to you know and the fact that

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they destigmatized just like you said

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john the reporting within the government

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that that

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destigmatization we cannot

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um say that that's not a big deal this

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is a huge deal right because do you

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imagine the amount of dinner

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conversations that are happening now

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that never happened before because this

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stuff is on you know new york times so

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this is the kind of thing that invites

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this holistic picture and it's important

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that us as citizens get our stuff

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together get funded get our data

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together right because you cannot lie

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and i mean we're talking about

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statistics like they're saying they have

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400 reports

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and they're still talking about threat

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threat threat whatever but nothing bad

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has happened and if you look at the 200

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000 reports no you know no one is being

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killed in like whatever you know so so

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this is the kind of thing we want more

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data data we want more conversation um

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and so i'm excited that that things are

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moving in this way and and

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we can't say that all government is bad

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it's made up of people

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and i for one would ask just in closing

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i for one would ask everyone watching

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today send mr gallagher on twitter a

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thank you for asking the question like

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hey how is it that you're running this

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this important you know um committee and

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and you haven't even done research about

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what the uh i think you know i mean like

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the government has already been spending

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its money on so these kinds of loops

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these kinds of questions have to be

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asked so mr hymes mr welts mr lahood all

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those people showed up you know there

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was no one

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no one showed up you know but some of

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them did and they need to be thanked for

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doing that

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right no good point zinka but uh john

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you also mentioned there's an internal

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um

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committee that deals with this stuff

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that we're not hearing from and one more

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question do you think elizondo will ever

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be called before congress to talk about

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what he knows

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so i'm curious what you what you're

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thinking um i i know

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uh for a fact that um

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ufos uaps and higher consciousness

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especially

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ha are

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subjects of interest to cia especially

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higher consciousness

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and it's not because we want to make

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contact with

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um

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attorneys or pleiadians because if you

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look at cia's mission

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its principal mission is to recruit

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foreign intelligence

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officers who know something happening in

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their government recruiting foreign

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government officials know who know

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what is happening within their

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government and to think about how their

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mind works what causes

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a person to essentially become a traitor

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to his or her country what is the

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thought processes also as a counter

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measure um how can we tell being

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truthful

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and so a lot of the technology uh for

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determining that

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um has been developed and is still being

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developed and so there's a high

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consciousness aspect but in doing so

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we've also encountered instances where

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our remote viewers who

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the simplest term project one's mind

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into

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an unknown area and report what they see

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and so that was a spying mission right

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and in so in doing so we also

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encountered

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like higher intelligence as we

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encountered

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um for lack of a better term aliens

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non-humanities right um the galactic

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federation uh the the fact that uh mars

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was once habitable and had intelligent

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beings on it so these other things came

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into the forefront

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as part of this remote viewing program

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and when the army had it

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the intelligence security command

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they actually looked at you know

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contacted

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monroe at the monroe institute and they

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started looking at that gateway process

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and there's a wonderful paper that was

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written

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uh about that

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process you know of them of the um

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of gateway and so the at least the army

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and the cia had a great interest in this

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um so there is a program and it's always

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ongoing um but it's not like the actual

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um the it's not

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totally uap oriented at all

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but

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a big basket where uaps play a

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significant part now within that program

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there's a subset of folks working on

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this issue

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um

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and so the biggest hint is jim semivan

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if you listen behind what he says the

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words he say says

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he stated that oh yes i'm working with a

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a small program i'm working with a small

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group

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at cia

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and that is that group

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so i can address that and your second

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question is about lou

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lou knows these things um but he

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he is not a whistleblower

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he is a private consultant to the

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department of defense and he has

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clearances through the department of

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defense so in many ways he knows what's

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going on

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behind the scenes

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but he doesn't report to the department

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as much as he reports to an organizing

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committee it's not this aoi msg or aim

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sod it's another committee which you

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know for lack of a better term people

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call it mj12

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but

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forget about the title or the names

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because that might not exist anymore but

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there is a committee who informs

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policymakers the elected policymakers

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the of uh uh

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appointed policymakers about what's

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going on now these two gentlemen who are

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witnesses

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um they're part of that process

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but i i

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keep seeing these control rods being

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held tightly in place

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where they're like they don't want that

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chain reaction to happen all at once and

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they're just like releasing

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selectively here and there

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a little bit and so what we heard like i

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said before was like at least you know

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they're looking at the process of how

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are we going to go forward with this in

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the future

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but lou knows a lot and and i agree he

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should be a witness uh as well as chris

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mellon and what they know maybe jim

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similan what he knows because these

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people still have clearances are working

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within that that program

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well jim's had experiences he's had

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contact experiences and stuff that he's

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been public about

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but who's control who's controlling this

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who who's behind the scenes pulling the

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strings and saying we're only going to

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say a little bit there there must be a

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massive structure in place i mean what

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do you think john i think it's a massive

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structure i really think it's a small

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committee i call them the committee

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oops i

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don't know who but i mostly know what

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and so the what part um will be like uh

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people who are in academia for example

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select members of academia who might

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have been read onto certain aspects

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of the truth

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as well as

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defense officials and intelligence

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officials in this

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program

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and um so their purpose is you know is

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management

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now what we saw and uh

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in the ndaa is aoi msg aimsog is a and

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there's an executive committee for that

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the aim sock executive committee

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that is the public face of what's really

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going on behind the scenes

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um and so we're kind of like fed uh a

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little bit of the real truth but it's

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like in bite-sized morsels

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um but what i us upsets me is that well

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i think most people can take the truth

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we want the truth and we and you know we

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we can take it you know we

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we want to know the truth and so what

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they're what they're doing is mostly not

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for our benefit but for internally

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because there's a lot of resistance in

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the pentagon uh going forward from this

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there there is a group that

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does not want any of this to come out

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for whatever reasons and some people

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cite uh personal religious beliefs

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um and they want to cast this as like uh

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demonology that these what we're seeing

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are

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uh

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entities that are demonic satanic and

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they actually firmly within themselves

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and their belief system

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hold that as truth

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and they're they're in responsible

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positions so

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um

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they're the folks that lube butts head

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butts hit against you know that they're

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trying to like don't talk about it don't

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talk about it

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cia side is a little more open um

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we're much more open we're not

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as affected by that type of narrative

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and so

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i wish cia would be more forthcoming but

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the only uh

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real spokesperson we have right now is

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jim semivan and he is a former not a

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current but he knows what's going on but

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he

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personal experiences

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as a way of like shining a light into

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that dark corner that yeah it's all

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about higher consciousness

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this is why they're here and so they you

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know it's all about them

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uh wanting to uh elevate our

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consciousness trying to ascend make our

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ascension happen so isn't that a direct

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contradiction to what we're hearing here

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national security threat and all that

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garbage that's in the way i mean can you

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explain

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why they keep going back to national

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security threat when what you're saying

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is higher is the exact opposite yeah all

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right um it's because um this

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subcommittee um it's the c3 subcommittee

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and we have to take a step back and

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first of all it's the house permanent

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select committee on intelligence

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c3 and what does that mean uh

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counterterrorism

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counterintelligence and counter

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proliferation

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so they're they're interested in uh like

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terrorist activities

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uh around the world and um those

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activities targeting the u.s

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counterintelligence is hunting for spies

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within our own government that's

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counterintelligence and counter

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proliferation is weapons of mass

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destruction

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those are like threats and so this

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committee's focus is always on threats

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it's the wrong

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subcommittee to go to

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um

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that is the exact wrong one

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if we're going to talk about higher

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intelligence in a subcommittee who would

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we talk to could we call the cia or what

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what do you think the best strategy

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because what we're all talking about

571
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,799
here is getting disclosure the fact that

572
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,720
we are not alone in the universe that

573
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,520
there's

574
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,600
other beings and that like you said and

575
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:11,679
i believe it they're here for our

576
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,720
evolution of our consciousness so how do

577
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,240
we get there

578
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,799
i don't know if i could get there i'll

579
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,919
be there

580
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:20,799
um

581
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,799
add on to what i said the i was hoping

582
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,960
that the first committee

583
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,360
would be the senate armed services

584
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,559
committee

585
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,280
emerging threats and capabilities now

586
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:36,880
the word threats

587
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,000
is in that subcommittee's title the soul

588
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,039
is capabilities now who sits on that is

589
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,159
senator mark kelly of arizona who was a

590
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,120
navy fighter pilot who may have had seen

591
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,360
these objects himself

592
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,320
he also was a nasa astronaut who may

593
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,400
have seen these objects out in space as

594
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,120
a nasa astronaut and who's also a member

595
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,039
of that subcommittee

596
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,480
it's

597
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,440
senator gillibrand who was instrumental

598
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,280
in at least getting that part of the

599
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,159
legislation pushed through

600
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,720
so that i i was i'm hoping that this

601
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,400
isn't the only committee that's going to

602
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,480
handle this for congress it should go

603
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,760
into the senate side

604
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,799
where

605
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,360
it's chaired by senator mark warner of

606
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:25,280
virginia and the

607
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,200
ranking member is senator marco rubio

608
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:30,960
from florida

609
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,159
i was hoping that the intelligence the

610
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,559
senate select committee on intelligence

611
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,640
will also hold hearings they don't have

612
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,320
a subcommittee structure it's the whole

613
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,440
committee

614
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,159
and uh we've heard from uh marco rubio

615
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,039
before he's keenly interested in this

616
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,360
and also you know we heard from senator

617
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,279
gillibrand she's keenly interested in

618
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:53,919
this and she is like questioning people

619
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,360
who are being appointed positions

620
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:59,520
what do you think about uaps you know

621
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,120
and she uh questioned the uh an nsa

622
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,960
appointee

623
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,480
i don't know anything where she said

624
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,960
well you better find out you better know

625
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,039
about uap so

626
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,039
these are baby steps allen and i don't

627
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,960
know how do you get from where we're at

628
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,240
in these baby steps to higher

629
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,159
consciousness

630
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,880
i'm hoping that the james webb space

631
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,520
telescope will see something out there

632
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,360
that we the government may already know

633
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,559
that's out there

634
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,240
it could be a portal

635
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,720
some opening up in the sky that these

636
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,520
sensors can see and then say oh my gosh

637
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:35,679
look what's coming through then

638
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,919
these these portals you know we need to

639
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,799
study that and let

640
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,039
government science kind of cue

641
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,640
government intelligence saying we need

642
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,600
to like look there what you know

643
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,080
carolyn corey's movie a tear in the sky

644
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,840
actually shows a portal have you seen

645
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,240
that in film uh i i've seen the trailer

646
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:56,000
for it but i haven't actually seen the

647
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:57,200
entire

648
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,240
interesting enough um

649
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,480
april haynes who did say the work

650
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,240
extraterrestrially they may be coming to

651
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,400
us extraterrestrially

652
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,640
also said something very very

653
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,679
interesting

654
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,200
she said when asked about you know

655
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,799
what's out there she said well we'll

656
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,000
have to wait for bill nelson's people to

657
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,440
let us know

658
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,880
and bill nelson being the nasa

659
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:22,799
administrator what she was actually

660
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,840
saying is let nasa science

661
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,440
find what's out there which we already

662
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,960
know what's out there but let them be

663
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,200
the one wants to discover what's out

664
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,159
there and then that because it's science

665
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,400
it's becomes more palatable

666
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,080
now having said that i think civilian

667
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,880
sciences science has really taken a big

668
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,600
leap forward we kind of like

669
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
left government science behind

670
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,000
because we're willing to go there and

671
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,480
and the the government scientists are

672
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,640
not kind of like still like kind of

673
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,960
hesitant to go there so i applaud what

674
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,120
deborah has done with with that movie

675
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,480
you know of

676
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:01,520
the sensors that they use you can

677
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,919
imagine what the actual classified

678
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,600
sensors can do

679
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,480
you know it's so much more and they have

680
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,240
the data and that's what frustrated me

681
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,159
about this hearing is that they kind of

682
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,480
pretended like oh i don't know we still

683
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,679
need to look at data we're still

684
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,360
collecting data you know we didn't look

685
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:19,679
at data from before but they have it all

686
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:20,799
right

687
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,159
these guys we heard today

688
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,919
do you know

689
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:30,240
they do know what we're trying to get to

690
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,960
what

691
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:33,200
zinc is working so hard at bringing to

692
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,559
the people with you know her lightning

693
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,240
they don't you think they know and

694
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,720
they're just like stepping around the

695
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,400
issue because

696
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,440
they can't say the a word alien

697
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,520
or et's

698
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,279
um i think on the

699
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,880
department of defense side that's

700
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,400
happening yeah

701
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,120
they just cannot go there yet and

702
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:56,799
they're just waiting for someone to cue

703
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,960
them to go there so then they can have a

704
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,720
a reason to do so

705
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,760
that

706
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,320
isn't like revealing oh we knew this all

707
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,559
along you know

708
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,720
i so i that's why i say i think nasa

709
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,720
will lead the way and they'll find

710
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:14,159
something out there

711
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,279
uh through

712
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,760
nasa's research and their sensors that

713
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,360
will then cue the intelligence community

714
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,120
to go where they already knew where to

715
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,399
go

716
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,919
i think you know

717
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,039
some remorse in the the opening comments

718
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,840
of the secrecy that's been there so it

719
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,919
doesn't mean that the people that are

720
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,159
there today agree that we should have

721
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,880
been so secretive about the information

722
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:38,960
one of the things i wonder about is this

723
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,919
is we're in a global world so why aren't

724
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,080
other governments revealing what they

725
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,559
know like what's going on here

726
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,120
and again like i just before you answer

727
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,840
that john i just want to say like

728
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
when we support these people the mark

729
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,320
kelly's the mark warner's the marco

730
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,360
rubio's with emails with calls with

731
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,320
tweets

732
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,960
that's telling them keep going we we're

733
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,559
supporting you in what you're doing

734
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,960
because there's obviously heroes inside

735
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,640
the government and we need to support

736
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,600
them

737
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,480
in the work that they're doing uh and so

738
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,720
but but yeah back to my question is like

739
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,399
why aren't other governments talking

740
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:18,799
about this

741
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,760
i don't know but i i do know this um we

742
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,080
do share information uh government to

743
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,640
government even our adversaries what we

744
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,559
think uh what most people think are

745
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,240
adversaries

746
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:32,240
information sharing is happening about

747
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,279
this

748
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,080
um and especially with our allies

749
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,520
information sharing is a lot of

750
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:39,919
information sharing is happening

751
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:43,200
um i don't know why you know

752
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,399
they're not

753
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,039
stating publicly and i don't think it's

754
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,200
a national security concern to say yeah

755
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,640
we're talking to the russians and the

756
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,880
chinese were talking to

757
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,200
nations in latin america and in the

758
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,279
middle east and europe you know but all

759
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,840
of this data is coming in i

760
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,480
what is that why is that such a secret

761
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,520
did not i recently revealed the fact of

762
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,720
if they don't want to reveal the

763
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,559
substance

764
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,559
they didn't even really allude to that

765
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,480
you know they kind of danced around it

766
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,880
and i don't know why they would do that

767
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,600
so what's occurring to me is like maybe

768
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,799
they think

769
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,799
that the people can't handle it that the

770
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,240
people are going to be

771
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,640
super freaked out and like panicked and

772
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,799
like oh my god and it's gonna cause some

773
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,360
sort of pandemonium like wouldn't that

774
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,520
be hilarious because that's not what

775
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,760
what i think would happen i think people

776
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,840
already know about this they already

777
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,000
know like you know it's like they're

778
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,480
already 20 steps ahead

779
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,440
of the government you know party line or

780
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,760
whatever but i mean do you think that's

781
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,159
what could be stopping them no it's not

782
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,799
the individual people like we the people

783
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,960
it's the government the us government is

784
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:54,960
worried about institutions

785
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,760
um they're worried about the impact

786
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,480
that a full dissemination or disclosure

787
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,600
would have

788
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,399
on the mundane things of how this

789
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,440
country

790
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:06,559
runs

791
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
um it's the it's the stock market it's

792
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:11,919
religious belief systems it's social

793
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,039
economic it's education it's all of that

794
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,600
it's institutionally um that's what they

795
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:19,039
want to preserve

796
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,320
um and just making little forays into

797
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,120
that so that um these institutions are

798
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:27,120
composed of us people

799
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,159
and that

800
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,640
if enough people are convinced and are

801
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,799
able to handle the truth and there are

802
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,320
these institutions then that would

803
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,640
elevate the institutions as well

804
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,880
and so they're mindful of that impact as

805
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,559
well they just want to throw everything

806
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,919
up in the air

807
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,240
which is they're still going with the

808
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,640
brookings institute paper

809
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,159
uh commissioned by the eisenhower

810
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,600
administration and delivered to the

811
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,159
kennedy administration about disclosing

812
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,200
uh life out in space and that brookings

813
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,960
institute paper is still like the

814
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,480
operating paper

815
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:01,039
um that the government uses saying oh we

816
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,720
can't do this yet but um

817
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,960
yeah that's why i mean so much pressure

818
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,360
like that's built up and i think it's

819
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,840
like that's why we gotta celebrate every

820
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,720
single ratchet that's opening this

821
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,360
this jar you know it's like okay so we

822
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,120
just passed one thing today they're

823
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,600
talking about it on live congressional

824
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,200
here you know then the next thing is

825
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,960
what you said the senate hearing and the

826
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,960
next thing is the you know newsweek and

827
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,720
the next thing is the whatever

828
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:30,720
you know it's like we've got to march

829
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,159
this all forward more quickly because

830
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,559
the piece of our world depends on it

831
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,000
yeah no i agree and i also want to go

832
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,080
back to a little bit of what you said

833
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
higher consciousness john um

834
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:46,960
that that's that's what you feel the

835
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,240
message of these ets are how do you know

836
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,559
that and how

837
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,200
how can we get that to be said

838
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,360
publicly

839
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,399
well i know that personally and uh so

840
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,240
and then in uh

841
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,480
you know in communicating with uh like

842
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,960
jim simivan my cia colleague right he

843
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
knows that as well

844
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,080
and then you know communicating with my

845
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,080
colleagues that i worked with

846
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,399
uh when i was employed by cia they know

847
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,480
that as well and and like i've said

848
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,279
before there are a lot of people who are

849
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,799
experiencers

850
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,320
within government

851
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
and they need a place to share those

852
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,919
experiences

853
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,080
and one thing i was happy about is they

854
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,840
did what some of the congressmen did

855
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,039
talk about

856
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,880
um the ability to share within

857
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,039
government and there is within

858
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,960
government and chris mellon

859
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:39,360
stated it so i'll follow on

860
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:43,039
the odni has set up a chat room

861
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,080
for

862
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,200
and that's still top secret sci but it

863
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,039
allows these people

864
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,039
uh in the intelligence community

865
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,640
especially civilian side and

866
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:54,840
intelligence community to share their

867
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,559
experiences to share um their beliefs of

868
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,480
what happens or what is happening and

869
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,840
maybe share

870
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,159
information that might be classified so

871
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:06,480
the odni does have

872
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:07,360
this

873
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,039
chat room database however the air force

874
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,399
has

875
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,279
been

876
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,279
calling through this database and

877
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,240
finding air force people civilians or

878
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,600
even military and intimidating them

879
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,559
and

880
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,559
that's completely wrong

881
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,600
well it's against the law even according

882
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,320
to the the what congress put out about

883
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,799
stigma and and

884
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,360
how does the air force get away with

885
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,679
doing that when it's they're breaking

886
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,919
the law of that was

887
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,919
and that's one of the questions uh chris

888
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,519
mellon queued up

889
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,080
in a piece that he wrote uh here's what

890
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,919
i would ask if i was a congressman he

891
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,919
queued up a lot of questions that

892
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,320
he wants answers to because he knows the

893
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,240
answers but he wanted one of the

894
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,559
questions to be spoken out loud

895
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,519
right so they touched on some of it but

896
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,679
not all of it and probably not in this

897
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,880
very first

898
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,919
hearing

899
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,480
um but yeah what they're doing within

900
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,919
the air force they're protecting

901
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,599
programs so why

902
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,679
why is the navy more forthcoming than

903
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,040
the air force

904
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,800
and i've always said the navy has the

905
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:15,919
data

906
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,200
but if you go back to roswell um

907
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,359
what was retrieved

908
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,399
went to

909
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:25,040
the army air force before it became the

910
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,159
air force

911
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,280
and they've had this

912
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,440
uh material since then and may have

913
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,800
exploited it

914
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,040
to the point where they now incorporated

915
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,839
some of that technology into craft that

916
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,159
they have built and they want to protect

917
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:41,760
that program

918
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,720
and so uh opening up all the ufo all of

919
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,159
uaps

920
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,440
to the general public might then expose

921
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,280
some of the things we see

922
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,800
or have been seen

923
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,440
might be their craft

924
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,920
and not uh

925
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,000
craft of non-human origin and they want

926
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,480
to protect their craft

927
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,640
and i happen to know that there is such

928
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,920
crap and see people call it tr3b

929
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,960
uh manta black manta but i say i tell

930
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,280
people step away from all of these

931
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,200
labels that you hear

932
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,920
in social media you hear on ufo twitter

933
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,160
step away from the label and ask does

934
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,520
the air force have an advanced aerospace

935
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,359
vehicle

936
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,119
based on

937
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,800
advanced technology that may have been

938
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,320
recovered

939
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,640
simple question i'm not saying what it's

940
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,680
called

941
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,040
and if they are truthful they will say

942
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,720
yes we do

943
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:39,040
you know but if you ask the air force do

944
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,640
you have a tr-3b black man a mantra you

945
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,280
don't say no we don't have that because

946
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,200
that's not what it's called you ask the

947
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,920
government um is there a majestic 12

948
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,760
they'll say no we don't have that

949
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,440
because that's not what it's called the

950
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,280
government literally

951
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,640
will answer

952
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,040
your question and give you a literal

953
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,599
answer based on

954
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,440
your question and if there's something

955
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,599
that they can't talk about they just say

956
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,200
i can't talk about it

957
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,079
which is like a uh

958
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,280
like a yes

959
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,119
you know when they when they go to close

960
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,720
session which means

961
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,720
classified session

962
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,280
um and they say i can't talk about it we

963
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,960
have to go to closed session it's

964
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,200
basically just say yes

965
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,839
that's that's basically a yes from them

966
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,560
that they can't disclose it publicly but

967
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,320
yes but we can talk about it you know

968
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,400
offline you know in in that closed

969
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,599
session so

970
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,400
right

971
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,640
well zinka yeah i i have a lot more

972
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,320
questions for john how much time do you

973
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,119
have john um because whenever you shut

974
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,560
down

975
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,400
i could talk to you all day because what

976
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,040
you're saying is so valuable for what

977
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,359
people really want to hear

978
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,800
so i mean my my question is it seems if

979
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,240
you're saying there's higher

980
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,079
intelligence that is

981
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,640
wanting us to wake up and there's forces

982
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,040
inside the government that doesn't want

983
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:03,599
that to happen it seems like we are in a

984
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,640
battle of sorts between

985
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,160
i don't want to say light and dark but

986
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,880
whatever there's some kind of internal

987
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,800
even intellectual

988
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,000
um battle going on within the public

989
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:18,320
that is uh keeping us

990
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,960
dumb and and stupid and ignorant and and

991
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,160
what do we need to do to gain the force

992
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,680
and the energy to to come forward with

993
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,359
with this uh well i'll just show you

994
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,760
what we're doing me and deborah giusti

995
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,839
were putting on this five part series

996
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,000
here that's coming up you can go to

997
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,839
making contact series we're going to be

998
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,599
talking to

999
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,800
nick pope and jj and desiree hertog this

1000
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,400
thursday so

1001
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,760
and then i'm talking to danny sheehan

1002
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,240
and steve bassett on june 2nd

1003
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:54,880
and uh carolyn corey june 9th and

1004
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,760
whitley strieber and linda molten howe

1005
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,160
on june 16th so you it's the first

1006
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,240
session's free and i just

1007
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:05,280
say this is another way of going in but

1008
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,480
also what you're saying here john is

1009
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:10,880
what is the real bat this is a battle

1010
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,240
for the soul of humanity and

1011
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:15,520
how do we

1012
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,320
frustrating to hear all these

1013
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,599
bureaucratic um

1014
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,839
i don't know talking points that don't

1015
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,599
ever get to the truth

1016
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,040
right and so

1017
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,599
that's the value of having legislation

1018
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,720
both in the ndaa and the iaa

1019
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:37,119
because there are these two pieces of

1020
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,800
signed legislation

1021
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:41,760
now we the voters when there

1022
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,280
is a candidate for office

1023
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,839
let's say a congress person wants to be

1024
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,599
reelected or a

1025
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,079
new candidate wants to run for office

1026
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,400
then the press and we the people can ask

1027
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,200
them

1028
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,320
oh by the way there's this ndaa

1029
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,320
and there's a uap section in that what

1030
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,000
do you feel about that that's no longer

1031
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,440
considered crazy

1032
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,400
you can legitimately ask that the press

1033
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,880
the media can ask that question

1034
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:10,640
of these candidates

1035
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,359
um of these incumbents what do you feel

1036
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,280
about this and at least start that

1037
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:17,839
discussion that's the very first step

1038
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,960
of of trying to get people of that mind

1039
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,839
into office so we can have that greater

1040
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,960
discussion

1041
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,960
uh coming forward

1042
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:30,960
that's one way of doing it

1043
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,560
and another way is uh because the stigma

1044
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,440
is removed from the military and from

1045
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,680
the intelligence community

1046
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,240
then the stigma should also be removed

1047
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,240
from the corporate world

1048
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,160
the world that many people work in you

1049
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,680
know where they don't want to talk about

1050
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,079
this in in the workplace because uh

1051
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,000
their fear for you know what people

1052
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,760
might think of them but if the

1053
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,560
conversation happens on that level uh

1054
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,200
all of a sudden that now we can start

1055
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,359
talking about what we're seeing and also

1056
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,119
what we're experiencing and what we're

1057
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,880
feeling right

1058
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,280
and so all these steps need to happen

1059
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
and so yeah i was disappointed with

1060
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,880
today but i didn't expect you know

1061
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,880
everything to come out but we do have

1062
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,200
andre carson there we have tim burchette

1063
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,440
we have that guy gallagher there are

1064
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,000
people in office um

1065
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,800
but you know and then zinka yeah i know

1066
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,240
you want to ask i just want to say

1067
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,240
corporate when you mention corporate it

1068
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,920
seems like corporate interests are in

1069
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,920
control because obviously what's ever

1070
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:31,760
out there is not filling up their gas

1071
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,119
tank to get here and that's a threat to

1072
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,200
corporate um monopolies so yeah that's

1073
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,760
the problem zinca yeah well that's a

1074
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,480
very interesting point alan because if

1075
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,200
if everything boils down to economics

1076
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,280
and at a core level when you talk about

1077
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:51,359
politics and things in decision making

1078
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,480
like that

1079
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,280
um that's some people are saying that's

1080
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,200
why they haven't been more forthcoming

1081
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,440
about this information because free

1082
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,000
energy is baked into the whole story you

1083
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,560
know the whole the whole technology so

1084
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:06,480
that's an interesting way to think about

1085
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,200
it

1086
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,400
i would also encourage us to to realize

1087
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,920
that the government is a microcosm of

1088
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,200
our society okay at a global level level

1089
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,800
and a country level

1090
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,040
so if there's people in the government

1091
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,440
that as you say don't want to talk about

1092
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,520
enlightenment and channeling because

1093
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,240
they think it's negative entities

1094
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,160
that's a part of us

1095
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,040
that's not ready to um

1096
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:36,079
to get curious and and that's the thing

1097
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,880
it's

1098
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:39,520
all of these um thoughts and beliefs and

1099
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,400
systems take time to

1100
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,640
die and rebirth and i think one of the

1101
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,119
flags that we can carry as a movement is

1102
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,960
this idea that hey

1103
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,720
let's get curious about this we don't

1104
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,640
have all the answers but if you're

1105
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,119
saying no i can't listen to that because

1106
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,319
it's evil or this or that um then you're

1107
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,560
not you're not being curious and i would

1108
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,400
also encourage you know

1109
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,880
the mission of lightnet is to really get

1110
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,280
people to have these first experiences

1111
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,400
because

1112
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,040
when you see that ufo you cannot deny

1113
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,599
that you saw that ufo and it suddenly

1114
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:15,440
becomes a totally different discussion

1115
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,040
for you so if you and and and we know

1116
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,680
that people who've seen ufos or done

1117
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,520
channeling or done meditations or

1118
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,280
remembered their dreams

1119
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,920
are good at helping other people do it

1120
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,119
so that's what we're doing at

1121
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,800
lightnet.org is net on thursday we're

1122
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,640
launching these these small groups of

1123
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:37,119
eight to to lovingly bring so do you

1124
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,640
know it doesn't even have to be through

1125
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,480
our platform you know if you know how to

1126
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,720
see a ufo show someone else how to do it

1127
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,000
you know if you don't how to remember

1128
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,400
your dreams encourage someone to do it

1129
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,240
we dream a third of the time and

1130
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,000
scientists are saying that

1131
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:51,839
a lot of these answers to our questions

1132
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,640
are coming through dreams right so

1133
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,040
if this is interdimensional if this is

1134
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,520
consciousness then when you're when

1135
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:02,960
you're waking mind the one that's behind

1136
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,839
is asleep um you're a little bit freer

1137
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,680
to start to understand these things in a

1138
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:09,040
different way

1139
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,839
so

1140
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,960
um

1141
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,040
so yeah i mean i think

1142
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:15,280
you know we really need to think of this

1143
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,160
as as as kind of like a chess board and

1144
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:19,920
the government is us and we're the

1145
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,560
society and it's it's one conversation

1146
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,880
at a time it's one experience at a time

1147
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,800
and thanks to allen for putting on the

1148
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,640
making contact series thanks for you

1149
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,800
know dwayne i'll share my screen you

1150
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,040
know dwayne is is going to be releasing

1151
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,280
we're talking about different footage

1152
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,880
that we want to see

1153
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,680
um so on the um

1154
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,079
blind frog ranch which is close to the

1155
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:43,920
skinwalker ranch they're having a

1156
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,720
massive ufo disclosure symposium because

1157
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,040
they've got amazing footage that's never

1158
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,599
been seen before and they've actually

1159
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,480
gotten mainstream stream press to to

1160
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,119
come and to cover the event so again

1161
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,760
this is all one thing is is dominoing

1162
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,200
into the other

1163
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,240
um and you know they've got avi loeb

1164
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,160
coming you know so we've got you know

1165
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:08,800
our professors jumping into the mix

1166
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,319
which is totally amazing um so

1167
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,319
so again also

1168
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,680
um we'd love to have you up in contact

1169
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,760
2022. um uh john

1170
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,200
allen and i are going to be speaking

1171
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,880
it's up here in sedona it's not going to

1172
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,359
be done live um

1173
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,000
but um but yeah this stuff is happening

1174
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,400
and um and i see deborah here i don't

1175
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,839
know deborah if you want to talk about

1176
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,520
what you're working on but these these

1177
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,760
things are so important that what what

1178
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,000
we're doing as citizens to keep the word

1179
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,680
out and to keep the

1180
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,880
the knowledge

1181
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,119
uh going and and i think we really need

1182
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,440
centralized systems to unite all these

1183
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,599
ufo organizations so that we can be a

1184
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,280
pres you know

1185
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,200
a more organized

1186
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,240
front of in people's movements yes

1187
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,400
invitation into experience and also show

1188
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,319
the data the statistics which is what

1189
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,319
they seem to want

1190
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:01,599
deborah

1191
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,240
co-producing the making contact series

1192
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,040
and has been a driving force and getting

1193
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,960
this public deborah you want to just

1194
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,480
jump in about

1195
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,480
and wait unmute i mean we don't want to

1196
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,640
miss anything

1197
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,040
i think this is amazing and john that

1198
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,599
was incredible um you know

1199
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,520
explanation of all that's going on and

1200
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:25,520
way beyond and all what we need to know

1201
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,560
right now

1202
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,319
and i think the biggest thing is that

1203
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,400
we're all coming together so many people

1204
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,480
around the world are shouting out now

1205
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,160
and that's going to be heard that can't

1206
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,720
be denied and it's not just the people

1207
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,520
that know about the ufos it's everybody

1208
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,480
is waking up on all levels and not just

1209
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,560
to ufo consciousness but to their own

1210
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,800
personal evolution to everything that's

1211
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,560
going on the planet to everything that's

1212
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,280
going on behind the seeds that is now

1213
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,319
coming up to be revealed healed exposed

1214
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,839
and transformed

1215
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,079
so this is a part of everything that's

1216
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,800
moving forward now and i'm so happy to

1217
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,720
be working with alan i've known him for

1218
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,560
many many years i mean we've all been

1219
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:06,880
connected but now we're in deeper and

1220
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,079
deeper collaboration directed by spirit

1221
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,920
to uh come out and do what we came here

1222
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,640
to do and this time it's getting right

1223
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,319
now it's getting all the information out

1224
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,119
like all of us are compelled to do these

1225
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,440
online programs and get the information

1226
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,760
out so i think it's really beautiful and

1227
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,240
even though it wasn't the big wow

1228
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,760
there was a lot of good questions that

1229
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240
were asked and there's people there you

1230
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,240
could tell they knew what was going on

1231
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760
the other people knew they knew they

1232
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,760
knew it was going on you could see all

1233
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,839
that behind the scenes you know so even

1234
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,000
though it's not on the surface right now

1235
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:42,560
it's purpling up and it can't be denied

1236
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,920
on all levels so it's all part of the

1237
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,359
transformation the shift that's

1238
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,680
happening now that we all came for came

1239
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,200
from at this point

1240
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,720
thank you deborah it's great working

1241
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,480
with you because you're so enthusiastic

1242
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,040
and we are on a threshold of something

1243
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,880
this at least was

1244
00:47:03,990 --> 00:46:59,920
uh uh

1245
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,000
an opening of a door and and john

1246
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,599
thank you for

1247
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,520
coming forward you know with your

1248
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,400
background and your awareness we need to

1249
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,680
hear from more people like you and brave

1250
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,599
enough to just say

1251
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,359
the truth and

1252
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,040
you know one thing i was interested in

1253
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,480
what you did say is that there's a

1254
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,119
private chat inside government for

1255
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,520
experiences to come forward are you a

1256
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,920
part of that and can you share you're

1257
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,880
not

1258
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,880
no i i can't share it

1259
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:32,960
it was set up by abraham

1260
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,720
right so uh the audience the dni set up

1261
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:37,839
and

1262
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,960
it is classified top secret sti i no

1263
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,800
longer hold clearances

1264
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,040
and so you have to access it through a

1265
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,280
government computer in a skip

1266
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,599
so obviously i won't be able to access

1267
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,000
it but the fact of that such a thing

1268
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:54,079
exists i've known about

1269
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,040
and

1270
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,440
i'm happy for chris mellon to actually

1271
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,000
reveal the fact that there is this

1272
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,640
um this chat room it's basically you

1273
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:04,880
classified

1274
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,640
intelligence officers it's it's a

1275
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,960
classified ufo twitter basically it's

1276
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:16,240
what it is

1277
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:17,200
um

1278
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,559
but you know people are able to then

1279
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,520
have a venue to share their experiences

1280
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,200
within the government

1281
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,440
um so there is not stigma so within the

1282
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,440
government that's that's very helpful

1283
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,400
and maybe then um i'm encouraging people

1284
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,800
that i know who have retired and who are

1285
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,040
experiences uh experiences that come

1286
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,040
forward as well you know there's a way

1287
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,240
to do it

1288
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,160
and there's a way you know that you can

1289
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,319
put things in a slideshow presentation

1290
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,599
or give a talk

1291
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,559
just

1292
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,520
run it through cia has never ever

1293
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,280
redacted anything

1294
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:53,760
and i've had like three versions of what

1295
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,559
i've been saying that cia has approved

1296
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,880
wow and so it's not like they're trying

1297
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,200
to suppress me from saying anything jim

1298
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:03,119
semivan can talk about what he talks

1299
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,400
about because he went through the same

1300
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,599
process

1301
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,760
james lakatsky who wrote the skinwalkers

1302
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,040
of the pentagon

1303
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,040
went through that process and i'm sure

1304
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,520
lou elizondo who is writing a book as we

1305
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,040
speak is going to go through that

1306
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,880
process and i think there are elements

1307
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:19,119
within the intelligence community um

1308
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:20,000
that

1309
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,880
um

1310
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,760
want

1311
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,880
this to happen in a way that

1312
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,160
um

1313
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,839
that protects sources and methods that's

1314
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,480
a legitimate concern what can you

1315
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,160
explain what that actually means that

1316
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,680
people use that but i don't know what

1317
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,079
that mean sources and methods sure a

1318
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,359
source is um

1319
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,000
where and what

1320
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,920
we get information from it could be a

1321
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,319
person or a technical device that's a

1322
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:47,520
source

1323
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,800
perishable

1324
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:53,200
especially if it is a human source a

1325
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,160
person

1326
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,119
because if a country briefs like a

1327
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,359
handful of people on a secret program

1328
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:00,800
that country's doing

1329
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,319
and that information is released then

1330
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,079
that country's counterintelligence can

1331
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,760
go down the list and say okay who do we

1332
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,640
brief

1333
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,640
and they can go right down

1334
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,440
this list and interrogate them uh in a

1335
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,880
not very

1336
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,079
nice way

1337
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,160
and it could result in their death so we

1338
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,800
need to protect sources of information

1339
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,720
we need to protect the fact that we may

1340
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,240
have a device

1341
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,240
a technical device that's collecting

1342
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,400
information behind the scenes

1343
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,240
in a foreign government

1344
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,160
because if that's discovered then we

1345
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,400
lose that source of information so

1346
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,880
that's protecting source the method is

1347
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,839
the technical means

1348
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,319
we extract that information from a very

1349
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,000
remote site

1350
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,960
so if it's a it's a gadget um

1351
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,359
and country x and the country x is very

1352
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,800
authoritarian

1353
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:51,839
um

1354
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,520
target

1355
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,559
hard to get into hard to penetrate uh we

1356
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,559
may have an agent

1357
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,760
who for whatever motivation will agree

1358
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,640
to place that device in that sensitive

1359
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,359
area right so that's a source who we

1360
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,760
work with and that device is a source

1361
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:15,920
from which we gather information

1362
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,440
and how that source talks back to us

1363
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,160
how we retrieve that information that's

1364
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,079
being collected by that gadget that's

1365
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,599
the method

1366
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,319
once that method is exposed we can never

1367
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,920
use it again

1368
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,400
right uh so that's sources and methods

1369
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,119
so it's not just uap related it's uh i

1370
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,280
think one of the witnesses say said

1371
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,040
truthfully that you know we use these

1372
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,960
sources and methods to collect

1373
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,160
just

1374
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,319
intelligence data worldwide

1375
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,359
and so we can't reveal uh how you know

1376
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,520
what

1377
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:52,000
sensors may have picked up more than the

1378
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,119
disappointing

1379
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,200
handheld videos that we saw out of a

1380
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,760
cockpit um there's instrumented data

1381
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,280
that we have

1382
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,280
um that they can't reveal because that

1383
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,599
same instrument data that might be

1384
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:06,319
flying on a satellite or uh flying on an

1385
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,359
airplane

1386
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,839
uh looking into a country um that's the

1387
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:12,160
same that's the same way that we collect

1388
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,200
information

1389
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,640
right so they can't

1390
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:17,680
compromise that so how much do you think

1391
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:21,359
uh avro avril haynes knows head of the

1392
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,440
intelligence um dni um you know

1393
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,640
government

1394
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,200
agency i guess and how much and what he

1395
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,000
and it's a two-part question is like are

1396
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,280
there people behind the scenes whatever

1397
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,200
you know subcommittee saying should we

1398
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,599
tell them no we shunned i mean i know

1399
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,640
there's the religious oh you know kind

1400
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,280
of

1401
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,359
impingement but is that conversation

1402
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:47,520
happening you think

1403
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,720
well let's tell them let's not tell them

1404
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,960
it's just frustrating how much people

1405
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,960
know no one wants that yeah go ahead uh

1406
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,359
to address your first question abraham

1407
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,880
knows everything

1408
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:02,000
wow um the there is a myth

1409
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,520
that um

1410
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,119
for certain things the president is not

1411
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,359
told that is a myth

1412
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,000
um when the president asked a question

1413
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,200
he once answered or she once answered

1414
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,599
the federal executive branch of

1415
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,640
government

1416
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:20,000
will answer that question

1417
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,680
and so

1418
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,000
the question needs to be asked

1419
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,160
and the government will answer that

1420
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,760
question the executive branch of

1421
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,119
government will

1422
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,200
she knows a lot more than what she says

1423
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,720
in fact she hinted

1424
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,839
uh when she said the word

1425
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,599
extraterrestrially there right there is

1426
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,680
a hint that she knows something that

1427
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,760
it's not adversarial

1428
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:40,559
um

1429
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,280
so

1430
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,960
well it could be adversarial if it's

1431
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,040
extraterrestrial it could be an advocacy

1432
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,920
it could be but um yeah it could be um

1433
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,440
adversarial but not terrestrially

1434
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,520
adversarial it's not china or russia

1435
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,359
right right i've made that statement

1436
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,079
plain uh as jim semivan who actually

1437
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,359
knows the answer

1438
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,400
yeah i know from uh like a perspective

1439
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,800
of having been retired for 13 years

1440
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,200
um that what we saw in the orbs didn't

1441
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,599
come from russia and china we eliminated

1442
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:09,440
that right away it's not like terrorist

1443
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,640
or technology

1444
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,680
ever hey no and the clue she knows is to

1445
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,000
go back to the public statements of her

1446
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:19,599
predecessors the former directors of cia

1447
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:22,800
and also the former uh dni that preceded

1448
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,240
her saying that oh yeah we have all

1449
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,160
kinds of satellite data we have all

1450
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,079
kinds of collected data

1451
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,920
if you go back to helen carter who was

1452
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,280
the first director of central

1453
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,760
intelligence he gave an interview to the

1454
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,880
new york times in february of 1960 and

1455
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,440
he called the air force to task saying

1456
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,680
the air force is hiding all of this

1457
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,040
information

1458
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,079
about the true origins of ufos

1459
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,000
and it's time high time the congress

1460
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,720
holds hearings about the true origins of

1461
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:55,520
ufos there's no reason for this secrecy

1462
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,160
and helen carter was the dci

1463
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,400
uh when roswell happened

1464
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,400
he ran the central intelligence group

1465
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:03,920
which became the central intelligence

1466
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,280
agency he was the top official in the us

1467
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,520
government when roswell happened and he

1468
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,400
knows and even back in 1960

1469
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,640
um he made those statements

1470
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,319
and so you can imagine then that

1471
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,880
abraham's the current dni

1472
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,480
would have that information would have

1473
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,920
that knowledge

1474
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,079
right right and uh the second part of

1475
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,640
your question was um you know about

1476
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,119
actions that are going on yes

1477
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,240
my belief is that um the faction that

1478
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,640
wants to suppress this information for

1479
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,160
whatever reason

1480
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,359
uh whether it's

1481
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,640
like mundane uh like economic reasons

1482
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,880
social economic or you know geopolitical

1483
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,880
reasons or if it's a personally held

1484
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,240
religious belief

1485
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,880
i i can almost feel them you know like

1486
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,079
they're

1487
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,839
their fingernails are just scraping down

1488
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,240
the wall they're losing traction

1489
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,160
you know they're gonna lose they know it

1490
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,319
and they're scrambling now so what do we

1491
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:00,880
do now oh my gosh congress just held a

1492
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,720
hearing on this they know that you know

1493
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,640
they're basically they're going to be

1494
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,640
superseded and left behind

1495
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,119
and i think in the future as these more

1496
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,040
of these hearings come forward

1497
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
um

1498
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:16,480
that will go away i mean that they're

1499
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,200
just

1500
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,040
they're going to disappear

1501
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,079
um so i have that hope

1502
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,470
i was just going to ask john um within

1503
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,160
the government

1504
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,720
you know how compartmentalized is the

1505
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,640
intelligence that's

1506
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,119
that's that's being gathered who has

1507
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,960
access to what

1508
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:39,280
what did they allude to today that made

1509
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,000
us think that there's any

1510
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,040
interdepartmental sharing is there a

1511
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,920
central database or not you know how how

1512
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,240
does it work exactly or is it just

1513
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
levels of clearances or is everything

1514
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:53,040
siloed between the different apartments

1515
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,160
pilots are a good way to think of them

1516
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,240
we call them stove pipes in in the

1517
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,559
government they're stove pipes of

1518
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,680
information

1519
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,640
um

1520
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,160
first of all i want to dispel the myth

1521
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,480
that there's really nothing above top

1522
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,480
secret top secret is the highest

1523
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,720
classification in the us government but

1524
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:12,720
having said that to your point zinka

1525
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,200
there are stove pipes and some of these

1526
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,160
pipes are really really big and so a lot

1527
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,400
of people are briefed into

1528
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,319
that type of information under that

1529
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,799
compartment but something like ufos and

1530
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:27,520
uaps might be like a soda straw

1531
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,920
compared to a giant chimney

1532
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,160
so it's a soda straw and because it's so

1533
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,440
narrow these people have top secret sci

1534
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,280
which means that you're eligible to be

1535
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,599
read in if it's part of your job

1536
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,599
to deal with the subject matter you have

1537
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,400
top secret sei you've been vetted you

1538
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:46,240
took a polygraph we know that you're not

1539
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,680
spying against the u.s and you're

1540
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,839
completely trustworthy oh it's your job

1541
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,240
to look into this we can read you into

1542
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,559
that really narrow compartment and there

1543
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,319
might be like hundreds of people it

1544
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,400
might be a few thousand but it might

1545
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,839
sound like might sound like a lot of

1546
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,200
people but if you look at the entire

1547
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:02,720
federal government in the entire

1548
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:06,079
military it is really a soda straw

1549
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,040
and so

1550
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,280
um it is managed

1551
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:12,480
and certain programs are saps special

1552
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,440
access

1553
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,720
uh programs

1554
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,160
um

1555
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,040
they're

1556
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,319
military so saps tend to be military and

1557
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,119
they tend to protect um

1558
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,559
military hardware

1559
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:26,799
military plans and intentions

1560
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,319
and saps uh cia has caps they mention

1561
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,799
caps um there are controlled access

1562
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,880
programs and so it's just different

1563
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,440
terminology but it's the same thing it's

1564
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:39,200
it's like really real narrowly

1565
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,920
restricted and caps in the cia tend to

1566
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,200
be

1567
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:45,599
broader collection programs

1568
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,350
working with

1569
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,520
[Music]

1570
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,359
technology or working with governments

1571
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,760
that we don't acknowledge

1572
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,760
and so those are like controlled access

1573
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,359
programs and they're

1574
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:58,799
literally have something called a bigot

1575
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,240
list it's a bad choice of words but um

1576
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,799
it's very stark in the sense that

1577
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,520
it it really isolates people by name of

1578
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,000
who can have that information

1579
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,799
now i've revealed before and cia doesn't

1580
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,359
mind me revealing i was in a cab

1581
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,119
dealing with the people's republic of

1582
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,920
china where cia had a relationship

1583
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:21,359
intelligence sharing with the people's

1584
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,920
republic of china during a time when the

1585
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,359
chinese were supposed to be our

1586
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,799
adversaries

1587
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,559
but behind the scenes we were working

1588
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,400
with them because we're going after a

1589
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,880
target of mutual benefit to both

1590
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,119
countries the us and china that's the

1591
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,480
soviet union

1592
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,720
so we did establish

1593
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,880
collection facilities

1594
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,799
in china

1595
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:45,119
with our partner nsa and staffed them

1596
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,040
with cia officers working with my

1597
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,400
counterparts into chinese intelligence

1598
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,720
so here we are at one level competing as

1599
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,880
adversaries and another level

1600
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,400
cooperating

1601
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:57,839
as friends

1602
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,680
and so

1603
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,440
that might be protected in the cap and

1604
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,520
that was a bigot list and i i had access

1605
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,680
to that big i was control officer

1606
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,319
very briefly for this bigoted list and

1607
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,400
inside was like

1608
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,960
names of presidents going back to jimmy

1609
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,040
carter uh their birthdays and social

1610
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,880
security number and birthplace so i had

1611
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,480
the social security numbers of

1612
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,359
presidents and there's me right there

1613
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,960
you know john ramirez i had my

1614
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,359
birthplace the obama japan had my social

1615
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:27,440
security number and date of birth july

1616
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,400
14

1617
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,359
1953 so i was in that list and there

1618
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,520
were only like several hundred people in

1619
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:35,119
that list

1620
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,599
and uh to the davis wilson memo yeah you

1621
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,599
know who i didn't see on that list a lot

1622
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:44,160
of dia people

1623
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,200
they weren't

1624
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:47,599
cause it's a cia program not a dia

1625
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,240
program so here's another example of

1626
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,200
having a soda straw into cia

1627
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,839
having a very highly compartmented

1628
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,839
program at the time

1629
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,440
and eliminating other parts of the

1630
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,480
government

1631
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,960
now projecting it to the uap it is

1632
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,119
probably the same thing where there's a

1633
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,040
hype there's a solar straw

1634
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:08,960
of information

1635
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:12,000
in which a lot of the real ufo ap data

1636
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,119
goes into

1637
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,200
um including you know

1638
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,359
whether we've had contact with these

1639
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,400
entities that might be in there uh if

1640
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,000
governments have other governments have

1641
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,400
had contact that might be in there uh

1642
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,799
would what do we know about them where

1643
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,720
did it come from you know that might be

1644
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,880
in there and what are we doing to

1645
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,559
address this that might be in there and

1646
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,319
it might be a very limited number of

1647
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,280
people so even within the dni or cia or

1648
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,280
any of these intelligence agencies

1649
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:42,400
not everyone is read into that program

1650
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,319
so it's so narrow

1651
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,720
um and so there are people in there that

1652
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:49,520
might be like managing the narrative out

1653
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,400
there

1654
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,799
the people i allude to as losing control

1655
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,480
uh they might be in there as well as

1656
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,960
well as people who want to

1657
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,640
be more forthcoming about this

1658
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,240
information

1659
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,119
so you talked about this idea you know i

1660
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:05,680
just watched that movie as

1661
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,640
um allen's request of the the men

1662
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:10,079
watching goats

1663
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:12,640
and they talked about the new earth army

1664
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:13,599
you know

1665
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,200
brigade within the u.s army that was

1666
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:19,200
looking at the more psychological more

1667
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,440
enlightenment terms so

1668
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,799
my question is

1669
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,839
is there who's doing that research now

1670
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,920
you know like the monroe institute is

1671
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:29,680
there nothing in the u.s government

1672
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:32,720
obviously there would be um and where

1673
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,760
where is that and also

1674
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:37,760
where would you place

1675
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,880
the the flip side of all this like if if

1676
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,200
it's if if we if we all know that

1677
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,880
they're not a threat

1678
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,200
then what governmental agency is

1679
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,720
supposed to be

1680
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,680
should be

1681
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:52,960
moving forward with more diplomacy or

1682
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,319
cultural you know study or whatever so

1683
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,400
the first question is

1684
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,799
does the does the you know the astral

1685
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,559
travel and channeling and all that stuff

1686
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:04,799
exist as a research within the

1687
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,039
government and if so where and where

1688
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,200
would you place this kind of research

1689
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,440
going forward

1690
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,599
that's right there was a concept of a

1691
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:16,000
new earth battalion and having monk

1692
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,440
warriors

1693
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,480
um

1694
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,240
the person i know

1695
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:23,039
would be colonel john alexander

1696
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:26,160
he is like a monk warrior in that sense

1697
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:27,280
he is

1698
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:28,839
a person who

1699
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,000
uh will talk about higher consciousness

1700
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,480
and he has briefed the association of

1701
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,000
former

1702
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,839
intelligence officers

1703
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,319
about his experiences with the ufos and

1704
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,160
what he's discovered within the

1705
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:44,880
intelligence community to these former

1706
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,760
retired you know intelligence officers

1707
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,200
in a uh

1708
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,440
i think it was a luncheon speech he gave

1709
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:53,039
in 2013.

1710
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,240
i'm trying to work with uh if uh oh i

1711
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,160
try to get like some semblance of that

1712
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,839
and trying to contact john alexander

1713
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:00,960
about that

1714
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,319
uh so uh it did exist um having said

1715
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,839
that um

1716
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:07,119
the

1717
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,599
this higher consciousness about

1718
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,000
developing human potential

1719
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,920
whether it and of course the pentagon

1720
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,000
says super soldiers but what we wanted

1721
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:20,480
were super spys not super soldiers

1722
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:21,359
uh

1723
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:25,680
these

1724
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,270
given gifts

1725
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,280
to work with the intelligence community

1726
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,680
to do the intelligence community mission

1727
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,480
and the remote viewing program

1728
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:40,640
still exists

1729
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:41,440
but

1730
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,359
it's been all outsourced outward

1731
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,680
to private entities and so we have

1732
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,440
former remote viewers who set up

1733
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,319
programs or are associated with other

1734
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,839
institutes

1735
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:55,760
to continue this and then the government

1736
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:58,799
can then tap into like who

1737
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,309
joe mcmonagle

1738
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,390
lynn buchanan

1739
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:10,079
um

1740
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,520
unfortunately i can't think of his name

1741
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,960
right now

1742
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,200
his first name is paul smith

1743
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,760
paul smith he's up in utah

1744
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:26,000
these are military remote viewers who

1745
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,160
are working on this issue and it might

1746
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,640
be others i don't know

1747
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,960
but they're out there working for monroe

1748
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,000
institute the farsight institute

1749
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,240
there's the universal light center

1750
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,200
in black mountain north carolina

1751
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,640
paul smith's organization as well

1752
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,160
they're doing this on behalf of the

1753
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,160
government and i don't know if the

1754
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:50,319
government still has a remote viewing

1755
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:52,240
program within government that's funded

1756
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,039
by

1757
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,640
taxpayer dollars

1758
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:57,039
but i do know the remote viewing

1759
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,559
activity

1760
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:01,039
is still ongoing

1761
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,559
and that was your first question he

1762
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:05,039
asked several more and the second one is

1763
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:07,839
is so if if i mean i was sort of

1764
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,880
flabbergasted by how military sounding

1765
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,799
this is like if

1766
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:14,880
you know it's like it's like well we all

1767
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,480
know that that um aliens are among us

1768
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,400
and and this is much more dimensional

1769
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:23,280
and complex than than we ever realized

1770
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,559
but

1771
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:25,520
if

1772
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,559
you know our instinct you know is like

1773
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:30,160
oh let's figure out if they're a threat

1774
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,760
it's like well let's figure out if we

1775
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,359
should well i mean like let's welcome

1776
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:34,799
them you know what i mean so who would

1777
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,240
be on that committee what departmental

1778
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,760
like

1779
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,839
what departmental group would be on that

1780
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,359
well that's an easy answer because

1781
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,720
diplomacy in the united states

1782
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,319
government happens within the department

1783
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,839
of state

1784
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,400
and they're responsible for that

1785
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:53,119
also i would say united nations uh uh

1786
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,480
the outer space office and the united

1787
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,640
nations are responsible for that

1788
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,720
so um so it would be state department in

1789
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,760
the u.n uh diplomacy is done in these

1790
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:03,280
organizations

1791
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,640
um

1792
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,480
is that is that happening has anyone

1793
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:08,480
read into like hey

1794
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,680
there might be this state department or

1795
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,480
diplomacy act with these beings has that

1796
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,760
happened at all

1797
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,599
i'm not sure about state department but

1798
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,200
it would be in the intelligence and

1799
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,440
research bureau of the state department

1800
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:23,680
still have we call it i

1801
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:27,039
i n for intelligence r for research

1802
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,319
there was a bureau like that and i

1803
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,680
haven't seen a state department

1804
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,160
organization chart that would still have

1805
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,920
that in there i don't know

1806
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,559
but i also say that going towards

1807
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,559
citizen science there's also citizen

1808
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,000
diplomacy

1809
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,799
there's efforts to establish an et

1810
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,000
embassy

1811
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:46,720
some way of establishing a place where

1812
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,599
um

1813
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:50,160
these other higher conscious beings or

1814
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,280
uh

1815
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,440
other um i call them ultra-terrestrials

1816
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:55,520
who are already here to come and make

1817
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,079
some kind of contact welcome them

1818
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,480
uh to make contact in a way that's not

1819
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,720
dealing with the government

1820
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:06,000
in a sense so i have high hopes for

1821
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:09,760
this et embassy program this concept

1822
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,799
of having a facility where

1823
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,240
this can happen

1824
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,669
yeah by the way for those watching it's

1825
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,080
the alliance for

1826
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:24,960
the number four et.org

1827
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,239
and they're going to be doing a

1828
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,000
conference um

1829
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,560
this year to talk about their efforts

1830
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,239
you know they've raised multi millions

1831
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,159
of dollars

1832
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,239
to build an embassy and they've gotten a

1833
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,199
lot of traction within the un um and

1834
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:40,880
within countries who want to host the

1835
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,149
and they're very you know they're

1836
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,560
decades into this and very close to

1837
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,600
getting

1838
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,239
um the vienna convention you know

1839
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,199
discussed and ratified so that's

1840
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,880
you know we talk about

1841
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,120
you know i used to study influencers and

1842
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,120
i used to track their their facebooks

1843
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,120
and their youtubes and to see what was

1844
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,199
happening and the people that were

1845
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,520
spiking the most are the are the rock

1846
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:10,640
stars

1847
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,679
right so here we are like all you know

1848
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,120
panties up in a bunch about what the

1849
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:17,040
government said or not said or whatever

1850
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,400
but really

1851
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,480
this is a cultural movement that has to

1852
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,440
be pushed by the artist by the musicians

1853
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:25,440
by the filmmakers

1854
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,640
because

1855
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,600
i mean

1856
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,359
you know i would track some of these

1857
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,120
important thinkers and researchers and

1858
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,600
then the the musicians would have

1859
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,040
millions

1860
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:39,520
i mean so really this is what we're all

1861
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:42,640
working toward it's it's all a cultural

1862
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:46,960
memetic piece by piece shift um and the

1863
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,600
embassy project is an idea that we can

1864
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,920
all get behind that's like you know you

1865
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,520
just want to talk about it you want to

1866
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,440
look at the ufo pool and you want to see

1867
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,560
how the architecture is so amazing

1868
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,199
so the more we can do to rally behind

1869
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:04,159
their conference and their work and this

1870
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,280
idea

1871
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:07,360
um and just literally

1872
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:11,199
writing to the united nations writing to

1873
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,400
your local

1874
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,239
government saying i want the embassy to

1875
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,960
be here this is what it takes it takes

1876
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,920
us not just watching it takes us doing

1877
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,239
and it's in conversations it's in songs

1878
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,320
it's in writing it's like like i said i

1879
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:26,719
would encourage everyone to tweet

1880
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:30,320
to these congressmen who showed up got

1881
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,239
there asked questions um mr lahood mr

1882
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,840
welch mr hymes mr gallagher you know and

1883
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,679
tell them thanks for showing up thanks

1884
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,600
for pushing this forward

1885
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,800
right hey

1886
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,640
yeah no that's great you're absolutely

1887
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,199
right this is a cultural phenomenon and

1888
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,600
that's why it's up to us

1889
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,000
to really present to the public what we

1890
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,400
feel the inside information is what our

1891
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:56,320
experiences are

1892
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,320
and that's why i'll be interviewing

1893
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:01,280
danny sheehan and steve bassett and nick

1894
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,159
pope

1895
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:04,239
maybe we could have you come on john or

1896
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:05,760
maybe i could do a separate show with

1897
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:09,280
you and jim semivan who i had a

1898
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,880
about an hour and a half conversation

1899
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:13,520
with he was very open very forthcoming

1900
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:17,520
and be good to go into the cia and

1901
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,719
and bring out this this is

1902
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,120
knowledge for the earth for our

1903
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:24,880
evolution so

1904
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,520
is this is oh yeah this is my upcoming

1905
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,480
conference thanks zenka this is um

1906
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,320
happening going making contact it's

1907
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,560
starting this thursday with nick pope

1908
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,440
and um jj herzog and desiree hertog and

1909
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,440
then we go to danny sheehan i don't want

1910
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,440
to just make this a commercial because

1911
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,600
what i think is we need to keep these

1912
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:45,679
discussions going

1913
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:48,640
on many many levels so yeah this is

1914
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:51,520
honestly by the way um they're doing a

1915
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,679
conference in 142 days um

1916
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,360
yes it's um

1917
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,360
it's amazing what they're doing it's

1918
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:01,679
totally

1919
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,360
oh it's aaron speaking there are you

1920
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:07,360
speaking there zinka preston dennett

1921
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,960
these are some of these it's gonna be a

1922
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,040
one day conference you know so they're

1923
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,480
gonna have you know they're not gonna

1924
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,760
have

1925
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,840
uh you know too many speakers but

1926
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:17,360
they're gonna reveal you know they're

1927
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:20,000
doing like virtual reality of how the

1928
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,920
embassy's gonna look and things like

1929
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,000
that you know so it's okay

1930
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:25,920
but i think we need to talk about what

1931
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,560
john is saying this is about higher

1932
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,640
consciousness this is about

1933
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:33,040
evolution and and

1934
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,199
governments i feel are in the way

1935
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,000
of this evolutionary process because

1936
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,080
they want to keep a cap on it

1937
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:44,239
it's like it's like the the church

1938
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:45,520
saying no

1939
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,360
the earth is the center of the universe

1940
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,560
and that's all there is to it it's oh so

1941
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:53,840
but to be fair this is a this is a mind

1942
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:56,800
trip this is like a back flip

1943
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,880
you know to what is a backflip to

1944
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:00,640
realize that we're living in a

1945
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:02,320
multi-dimensional

1946
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,239
reality gated frequencies that our third

1947
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,239
eye and telepathy can say i mean it's

1948
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,800
like this is a lot

1949
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,719
this is huge

1950
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:14,640
actually i'm gonna send you a copy of my

1951
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,440
book or a pdf john okay because my

1952
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,159
making contact book goes into ultra

1953
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,320
terrestrials these

1954
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:24,480
higher dimensional

1955
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,679
presences that are trying to lift us up

1956
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:30,080
out of our ignorance and we are being

1957
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,360
kept ignorant when did you come to that

1958
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,080
conclusion john that that we were living

1959
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:38,960
in a multi-dimensional reality that was

1960
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:48,390
let me put in a plug

1961
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,630
as you know i was a guest on exo

1962
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,120
metaverse uh with nadihana

1963
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,440
and i related a lot of my experiences

1964
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,800
and i've talked about experiences but

1965
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,280
i'm a lifelong experiencer

1966
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,920
wow um so you know

1967
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,239
it came to me naturally um starting at

1968
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,719
age four and going forward people who

1969
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,400
see my interviews

1970
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,480
uh particularly um

1971
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,840
more of the higher consciousness

1972
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,640
interviews and not the um the nuts and

1973
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,920
bolts ufo uap crafting reviews that most

1974
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:19,920
most of the interviewers want

1975
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,040
but i did a few um

1976
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,120
quantum witch cafe

1977
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:27,360
which was stalled with a y instead of an

1978
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,000
i and uh savita uh starseed they're on

1979
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,840
youtube where i talked about the higher

1980
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,360
consciousness aspect and more of my

1981
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:36,719
experiences

1982
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:39,760
alan i was uh i was in uh this was

1983
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,520
before anyone knew who i was uh i was in

1984
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,239
uh the making contact convergence

1985
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,719
oh god this year and i got your book

1986
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:50,800
oh look i thank you very much i did i

1987
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:54,000
did get it as a vip participant

1988
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,840
did you read it did you have a chance to

1989
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,679
read some of it i've got so many books

1990
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:59,600
to read right now

1991
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,080
i'm working on like i'm a very slow

1992
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,560
reader so i am working on it well when

1993
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,400
you get a challenge it's chapters by

1994
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,080
different experts in the field so

1995
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,480
chapter three is by j.j hertoch and

1996
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,000
desiree hertago talk about the

1997
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,920
ultra-terrestrials

1998
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:16,159
and maybe we should do a program with

1999
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,360
you and jimmy

2000
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,560
jim semivan about the cia

2001
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,280
and experiencers within the cia would

2002
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:25,520
that be something you'd be wanting to

2003
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,560
participate in truth if jim is uh

2004
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:31,199
willing to go on and in fact uh as you

2005
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:35,760
know george knapp had gemini on uh

2006
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:38,880
but george had a separate and jim and i

2007
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,760
wanted george to have us together yeah i

2008
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:43,679
will put you together yeah

2009
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,400
yeah

2010
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,040
jim i couldn't believe what a great guy

2011
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:50,000
jim was how old and

2012
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:50,719
and

2013
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,280
guys are seeing the bigger picture here

2014
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,600
that the government

2015
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:01,679
somehow is not seeing do you do you feel

2016
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,800
like this is the end of this

2017
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,199
um disconnected

2018
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,840
rulership that's in place because it's

2019
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,840
not letting us

2020
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:13,679
it's it feels like

2021
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:17,199
you know what the revolution was that um

2022
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:18,960
what was it

2023
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,719
representation without um you know

2024
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,960
yeah not representing the will of the

2025
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,440
people these are government is working

2026
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,320
for us we are we the people

2027
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:33,120
and they are not they are now preventing

2028
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:35,920
people from understanding their own

2029
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,120
democratic rights for freedom

2030
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,880
and so

2031
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:42,880
not to put you in conspiracy but do you

2032
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,120
think it's the end or could mark the end

2033
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,520
of government as we know it and i'm not

2034
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,920
saying this i i think we do need

2035
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,360
governing

2036
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:54,000
policies but the way it's gotten so

2037
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,840
complex and so

2038
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:56,880
um

2039
01:17:01,910 --> 01:17:00,000
segmented it it seems like a dinosaur

2040
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,920
what do you think yeah i talked about

2041
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,000
that in my interview um going through

2042
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,560
the history of why it's secret

2043
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,320
um

2044
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:10,560
in 1947

2045
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,159
in january 1946 uh truman after he was

2046
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,800
briefed on a lot of the technology that

2047
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,239
the germans held

2048
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,080
i decided to create the central

2049
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,760
intelligence group

2050
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,520
and the national intelligence authority

2051
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,520
and that was an operation at the time of

2052
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:26,880
roswell

2053
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,600
happened it was already thought that

2054
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,960
they would make the cig into a cia

2055
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,040
and create the uh what became the

2056
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,880
department of defense

2057
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:40,719
in 1948

2058
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:43,840
roughly a year after roswell

2059
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,480
there was a bill passed through congress

2060
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,400
that allowed

2061
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,920
corporate world

2062
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,760
the defense contractors to become

2063
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,239
defense contractors and enabled black

2064
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:56,800
project programs that enable sole source

2065
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,760
contracting non-competitive practices

2066
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,840
amongst these uh amongst these

2067
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,199
contractors

2068
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:05,440
and enabled black

2069
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,040
projects and budgets

2070
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,520
and that started the national security

2071
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,239
uh military industrial complex so

2072
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,920
previously when truman created the

2073
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,840
central intelligence group

2074
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,360
under the national intelligence

2075
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:19,600
authority that was the first time we had

2076
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:23,040
a like true national security state

2077
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:25,840
and then the military-industrial complex

2078
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:28,480
occurred in 1948 when this law was

2079
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:32,080
passed that allowed these carve-outs

2080
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,760
the law is very interesting it says you

2081
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:36,000
know that

2082
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,440
competition

2083
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,880
between

2084
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,199
among uh contractors the government will

2085
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,440
do business with should be open except

2086
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:44,960
for

2087
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,520
everything in the ufo ap is happening

2088
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,440
whether all the exploitation of

2089
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:54,159
technology and so forth it allows these

2090
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,120
black

2091
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,920
budgets to occur legally and there have

2092
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,560
been other laws since then um

2093
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:02,000
most notably

2094
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,640
signed by president obama which further

2095
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,440
strengthened the ability to carve out

2096
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,000
these unacknowledged saps

2097
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,040
so uh obama allowed unacknowledged saps

2098
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:19,600
to occur why would he do that i don't

2099
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:20,640
know

2100
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,199
not law that's not u.s law but it's

2101
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,360
based on u.s law

2102
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:31,600
and so people say well these things are

2103
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:34,320
unconstitutional illegal

2104
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,520
i i counter with no they're not illegal

2105
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,840
because congress passed laws our

2106
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,320
representative passed these laws signed

2107
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,760
by the president

2108
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,080
and so in that sense it's legal

2109
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,080
the question to ask is is it

2110
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,640
constitutional and no one's ever

2111
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,679
challenged

2112
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:53,600
the constitutionality

2113
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,920
of some of these

2114
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:57,600
more draconian

2115
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,120
legislation that occur that enables

2116
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,280
that faction to keep control

2117
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,360
no one's gone before and said i'm gonna

2118
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,960
you know go through the federal courts

2119
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,639
and end up at the supreme court because

2120
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:10,719
i think this is unconstitutional

2121
01:20:14,950 --> 01:20:13,120
that hasn't happened yet and that

2122
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:14,960
uh danny sheehan

2123
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,760
being a lawyer yeah he would probably be

2124
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:19,920
a better um

2125
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:22,239
person to answer why

2126
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,280
that hasn't occurred or why hasn't

2127
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,480
anyone

2128
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,760
uh

2129
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,239
challenged these these carve outs these

2130
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,199
um on on the knowledge sas

2131
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,040
from being i'm going to ask danny that

2132
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:37,679
question and maybe you could join yeah

2133
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,400
if you reference uh executive order 13

2134
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,080
526

2135
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,239
and the carve outs allowed in that

2136
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,719
executive order you know um that might

2137
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,400
be an interesting uh answer maybe you

2138
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,159
could join us for part of that program

2139
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,080
that's the june 2nd program on the

2140
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,239
making contact series and

2141
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,560
but i will reach out zinka did you have

2142
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,560
something else to say because i oh no i

2143
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,360
mean i think the issue is yeah it's like

2144
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,320
so

2145
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,159
we need to get the information first

2146
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:06,960
shared within government so that the

2147
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,440
you know these lower less

2148
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,280
you know high security people are

2149
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,440
getting some of this these crumbs these

2150
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,840
breadcrumbs right and there's not this

2151
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,159
highly curated list of only 200 people

2152
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,800
or less than these tiny you know straws

2153
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,199
you know i mean so the more that that

2154
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,159
all can can open up um

2155
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:28,639
and then the more that the the the pop

2156
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:31,920
culture and the demand is is is here

2157
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:35,440
um the faster this is all going to go

2158
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,320
yeah

2159
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,040
one more question and thank you for your

2160
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:40,960
time john and you've been such a

2161
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,000
valuable resource because

2162
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,080
we just you know i'm not familiar with

2163
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:48,800
government i try to avoid it and you

2164
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,000
know your your inside you can dissect it

2165
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:54,880
in a much clearer way and help people

2166
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:57,600
understand what we just saw

2167
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:01,520
and what we didn't just see you know so

2168
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,120
but how big is the experience or

2169
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,600
community within government of course

2170
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:08,800
there's no way of knowing but what's

2171
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:11,840
your guess like what how many people in

2172
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:15,280
congress and government and military

2173
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:17,360
percentage-wise you think

2174
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,920
are directly connected to this phenomena

2175
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:23,600
honestly i don't know the answer to that

2176
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,400
question i just know that um i've spoken

2177
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,199
personally with many colleagues

2178
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,239
in other agencies and with ncia and when

2179
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,000
i get to know them

2180
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,760
we talk about our hobbies and whatnot

2181
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:37,360
and i mentioned that you know i go to

2182
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:40,960
ufo conferences and then that opens up

2183
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,600
that that avenue of discussion

2184
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,080
and in fact i think it was uh mr

2185
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:48,239
moultrie who talked about oh yeah i went

2186
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,800
to these conferences

2187
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,480
well you know that's an indication that

2188
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,719
there was this gentleman i know where he

2189
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:56,960
worked at cia and i know

2190
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,960
um what his um professional uh job was

2191
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:02,480
at cia

2192
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,030
originally he was uh i think he was

2193
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,960
naval intelligence then went and went

2194
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,400
into cia

2195
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,880
in the information operations and

2196
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:20,960
information warfare

2197
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,159
areas of cia

2198
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,560
and i can reveal that it was something

2199
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,120
called the uh the clinton clandestine

2200
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,120
information technology office

2201
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,120
or the information operations center and

2202
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:35,280
then from there he went to nsa

2203
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:37,679
and the sigit directorate and then

2204
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,719
he ran the national security operations

2205
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,400
center

2206
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,280
nsa watch office if you will

2207
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,040
for 24 7

2208
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,199
every second of every day you know

2209
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,120
they're taking in all of this second

2210
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,440
data from all these sensors the us

2211
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:56,000
government has and then you know

2212
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,360
parsing it out

2213
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,199
and that's that's his background uh

2214
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,360
before he was appointed to be the under

2215
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,040
secretary of defense for

2216
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,800
intelligence and security

2217
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:07,440
and so even at that that level you know

2218
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,920
he says i've been to ufo conferences

2219
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,920
and jim semivan when he shared his

2220
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,120
experiences

2221
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,679
at cia and he and he was told oh you

2222
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:17,280
should talk to this

2223
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,639
other officer

2224
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,800
uh he goes to ufo conferences and it

2225
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,960
wasn't me it was someone else and i went

2226
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:25,199
to ufo conferences with my my good

2227
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,159
friend

2228
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,480
um together and uh

2229
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,080
so i mean there's a lot of interest

2230
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:32,159
there and i was um

2231
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,960
uh

2232
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,719
an administrator

2233
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,400
of a

2234
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discussion database called the users

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01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,440
group

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01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:42,320
uh was mostly about technology and the

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01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,000
application of technology this is in the

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01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,320
90s you know they when the internet was

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01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:48,320
nascent and people were home building

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01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,880
their own computers and that was that

2241
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,120
unofficial database and i took the

2242
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,040
opportunity as administrator to bring up

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01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:57,360
some of these topics like remote viewing

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01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,600
and ufos and um artifacts uh anomalies

2245
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,120
on the moon and mars and that's when i

2246
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:05,679
got a delusion of phone calls and

2247
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:08,639
um emails um to me

2248
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,760
privately

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01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:11,760
about what they knew so i knew that you

2250
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,320
know there was a lot of interest in

2251
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,800
remote viewing that was a real program

2252
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,560
um that

2253
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,080
we have encountered

2254
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,040
a craft that one gentleman who was a

2255
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,679
navy officer before joining cia said yes

2256
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,719
i was on

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01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:29,440
a cruiser uss boston um

2258
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:33,120
um in the uh off of the north from east

2259
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,400
coast and we were fighting off this ufo

2260
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,320
you know and so you know i mean all

2261
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:39,679
these little bits and pieces of

2262
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,199
information come and people are talking

2263
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:43,120
about the anunnaki and

2264
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,000
you know

2265
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,639
sedona i mean all of this coming through

2266
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,880
within cia which unfortunately is not

2267
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:51,280
foiable because it's not an official uh

2268
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:54,800
document that can be foia and um so in

2269
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:57,440
that sense i knew that there was a lot

2270
01:26:02,550 --> 01:25:59,600
of interest of just me personally

2271
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,560
contacting these these folks who also

2272
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:03,920
had interests who might have been

2273
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:07,760
hobbyists and during my security uh

2274
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,280
reinvestigations that were occurred

2275
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,800
every five years

2276
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:12,480
the first one occurred after three years

2277
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,120
and then every five years since um they

2278
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,880
would ask me uh mr ramirez what are your

2279
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,719
hobbies and i go i'm interested in

2280
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:20,800
researching ufos and going to et

2281
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,280
conferences and i'm a big fan of coast

2282
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,440
to coast am with george uh that time he

2283
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,040
was uh with arbel and you know they

2284
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,120
would just dutifully write it down

2285
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:31,520
there was no like what you know none of

2286
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:34,480
that you know just write it down okay

2287
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,239
and there's chase brandon who wrote his

2288
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:38,400
novel crypto's conundrum

2289
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,880
uh chase brandon uh wrote about uh uh

2290
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:44,719
this higher consciousness aspect of

2291
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:46,480
everything and him

2292
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,960
having uh um

2293
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,800
familiarity with the topic because he

2294
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,040
saw the actual roswell files the cia

2295
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,880
it's the only cia officer that actually

2296
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:57,440
stated in public yes there are roswell

2297
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,320
files yes i saw them yes there were like

2298
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,840
there was a craft

2299
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,320
um that was terrestrial uh that looked

2300
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:06,000
not true so yes there were beings

2301
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:07,360
recovered because you saw the pictures

2302
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,560
of the bodies

2303
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,719
that were not human and here's an

2304
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,440
officer said well i can't

2305
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,520
reveal this outright i'll i'll make it a

2306
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,480
novel

2307
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,440
when he was interviewed by george nuri

2308
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,600
um and then he talked he said you know

2309
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,480
read my novel it's all in there it's

2310
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,800
behind read behind the lines what i

2311
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,880
wrote in the novel will some of that

2312
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,120
will be disclosed in the future and one

2313
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,040
of the things he disclosed was the fact

2314
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:35,679
that the navy has encountered these

2315
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:39,280
craft under the water with submarines

2316
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,239
and

2317
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,480
uh through aircraft flying off of

2318
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,560
aircraft carriers this is when no one

2319
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:46,239
knew about tic-tac

2320
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,199
he wrote this while just as he retired

2321
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,000
from cia and put it all in there

2322
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:56,639
about this long-standing

2323
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,080
investigation and interest in ufos and

2324
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:02,080
the higher consciousness aspect that

2325
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,120
sometimes we get collect gifts

2326
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:07,040
when they're recovered and he mentioned

2327
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,719
a crystal gift

2328
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,800
that the government has that you know

2329
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:13,760
that root that when you connect with it

2330
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,000
a reveals um like our past history

2331
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:20,159
wow uh so i mean he wrote it all in

2332
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:21,920
there and so what's the book called

2333
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,679
again uh kryptos conundrum

2334
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,440
okay hey you know i'm glad you're

2335
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:29,040
recording this because we just got

2336
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:32,639
disconnected from youtube there zenka

2337
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,080
for sorry

2338
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,639
so we i mean it's interesting they cut

2339
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:38,480
it off just as john was getting to the

2340
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,440
really good juicy stuff there

2341
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:42,800
so um

2342
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,760
i've been checking um so it must have

2343
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:47,840
been recently lost the youtube stream

2344
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,800
but um john when and you say like

2345
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,080
there's been some

2346
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,480
[\h__\h] battling these ufos there must be a

2347
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:57,679
record of that right there must be some

2348
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,719
deep

2349
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,480
live on youtube

2350
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,159
oh no that's okay

2351
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,159
we'll go back to that wait go back to

2352
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:07,040
that no it's okay um but let me just ask

2353
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,719
the question um

2354
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:10,960
and then when you say um

2355
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:13,679
can't the government petition the cia

2356
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,560
for those roswell records and just say

2357
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:19,040
okay we want to see them i mean i'm just

2358
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:20,639
saying there's stuff that's recorded

2359
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,520
behind the scenes that someone inside

2360
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,440
the government could petition and that's

2361
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,199
not a national security threat that's

2362
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,040
history so

2363
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,719
right and internally they probably do

2364
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,199
have access within that sort of straw

2365
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:34,480
compartment

2366
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,960
but can't they ask for that publicly to

2367
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:39,840
be shared

2368
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:42,080
foyer them i guess i don't know um i

2369
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:43,600
guess you can foil them

2370
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,800
um

2371
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,280
i don't they may have moved them i don't

2372
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,199
know because once

2373
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,000
chase said i saw them in the historical

2374
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,639
intelligence collection the hic

2375
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,880
that clued cia into saying oh we need to

2376
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:58,880
go find them and hide them

2377
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:01,679
so um i don't know i don't know if

2378
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,159
they're findable i don't think they're

2379
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,600
i don't think they're owned by i think

2380
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,600
they're owned by the air force and cia

2381
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:09,760
acquired acquired them

2382
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:13,280
wow well we can go on and on i mean this

2383
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:14,960
is so great definitely want to have you

2384
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,600
back me and zinka and maybe we'll invite

2385
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:20,000
jim to come on we'll do a whole plan

2386
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,920
programming about inside the cia and

2387
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,600
i mean i think it's i've never heard you

2388
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,199
talk about the higher intelligence

2389
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:29,360
aspect but that is what's behind all

2390
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:30,320
this

2391
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,440
and that's

2392
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:34,239
that's who we are this is what i'm

2393
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:36,800
trying to put out like we are connected

2394
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:39,840
to something bigger and why are we

2395
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:42,880
being kept in the dark about who we

2396
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:45,199
really are i mean that's that's a

2397
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,000
actually to be blunt a crime against

2398
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,159
humanity

2399
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,560
and it's unfortunate that there are

2400
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,199
forces in the way that are stopping us

2401
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:58,159
from our evolutionary destiny in a way

2402
01:31:02,629 --> 01:30:59,199
to be

2403
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:02,639
part of this greater community so

2404
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:03,679
thank you

2405
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,840
and i would just say like

2406
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,400
we we're doing this to ourselves so the

2407
01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:10,400
government doesn't run our lives they're

2408
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:12,719
not the only ones we can count on we

2409
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,320
have to come together and do this

2410
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:16,880
ourselves we can all remote view you

2411
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:19,520
know alan you're teaching it in classes

2412
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:21,440
people put it on lightnet

2413
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:22,480
um

2414
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:25,520
we're not victims we're we're the heroes

2415
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,159
and we're bringing this forward and

2416
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:31,120
nobody can stop us there's no there's no

2417
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,600
you know what i mean like it's time it's

2418
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:36,480
it's this is it's time so

2419
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,960
um we all have bodies and we all have

2420
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,560
minds and we all have mouths and we all

2421
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,400
have emails we all have internet so

2422
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:45,360
let's do this you know let's do this

2423
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:48,159
are you located out west john i mean i'm

2424
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,320
in uh actually i'm in arizona so i woke

2425
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:52,960
up very early this morning

2426
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:54,400
we did too

2427
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,400
yeah yeah i'm in uh oral valley arizona

2428
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:00,880
which is just north of tucson by i

2429
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:03,760
believe about 14 miles

2430
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,560
north of tucson oh great so maybe if we

2431
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:08,400
do a conference up here disclosure

2432
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,520
conference maybe next year even suzanne

2433
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:14,000
ross the the she's putting together a

2434
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:15,920
conference we'll invite you for sure but

2435
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,760
yeah this weekend party at my house on

2436
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:19,280
friday after yeah you can come up with

2437
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,199
that

2438
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:23,280
but anyway but even next year we'll plan

2439
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:25,840
well definitely any time john but yeah i

2440
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:27,760
just want to give one more little plug

2441
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:30,719
for this series that i'm doing here

2442
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:34,080
making contact series dot com

2443
01:32:39,270 --> 01:32:36,560
and it's going to be deep dive what we

2444
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:39,280
heard today is just the kind of

2445
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,360
beginning steps of what i want to go

2446
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:42,960
into with linda molten how whitley

2447
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:45,360
streetwear danny sheehan nick pope

2448
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:48,400
uh steve bassett who's a lobbyist for

2449
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:52,239
ufo um disclosure

2450
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:54,960
and some experiencers marina serena adam

2451
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:57,920
apollo mary rodwell who's been

2452
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,800
investigating the starseed aspect of

2453
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,000
this so

2454
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,280
it's a multiple level phenomena this is

2455
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:07,199
not a simple

2456
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,000
oh yeah we're having visitors here that

2457
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:12,560
famous jacques valet line where he says

2458
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,880
if i find out we're just having visitors

2459
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:16,320
from another planet i'll be very

2460
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:17,840
disappointed because

2461
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:20,400
there is a psychic phenomena there's

2462
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:24,560
paranormal those are just words describe

2463
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:27,920
another level of reality that we've been

2464
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:31,040
really kept from acknowledging so

2465
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:36,960
this phenomena opens up a whole set of

2466
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,760
new world views and new

2467
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:42,000
aspects to the human mind i say it makes

2468
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:45,440
us more human this phenomena so

2469
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:48,239
that's that's that's the excitement of

2470
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,639
where we're at and today you're right

2471
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:52,639
zinka this was

2472
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:55,120
a kind of toe in the water

2473
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:58,320
yes yes it's it's to celebrate because

2474
01:34:03,510 --> 01:34:01,120
this is all celebrations on the road to

2475
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,520
making this bigger and bigger and bigger

2476
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:05,440
and bigger and bigger

2477
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:09,360
right no this is moving forward

2478
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:12,880
your work is so valuable your insights

2479
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,760
and

2480
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,320
just adding to the conversation it's we

2481
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:18,400
need to hear this from people like you

2482
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,360
because

2483
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,280
otherwise it's just our little community

2484
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,120
talking to each other and saying oh yeah

2485
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,520
i saw something in this half but this

2486
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,840
makes it almost official what you're

2487
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:29,600
adding here

2488
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:30,320
so

2489
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,199
done in your life and who you are and

2490
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,520
who you've become and and your message

2491
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,840
to the world is so amazing so there's

2492
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:41,520
more to talk about and i do have a lot

2493
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:43,119
more questions but you know it's been

2494
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:46,800
three hours now so

2495
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:49,920
thank you okay guys i'm out of coffee

2496
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,000
and you're out of coffee all right thank

2497
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:54,000
you thank you thank you thank you for

2498
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:56,239
having me of course

2499
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,880
um actually can i just say one thing me

2500
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:00,719
and deborah giusti

2501
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:03,920
are putting on a big five part series

2502
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:07,040
about this and let me just show people

2503
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it is called the making contact um

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series this is happening starting

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thursday

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and

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this is a

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five-part series here that we are doing

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on what we just heard the truth behind

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what we do making contact series this is

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an investigation into what we hope will

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be the truth the first episode is with

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nick pope and jj and desiree hertog and

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then we're going to have danny sheehan

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and steve bassett on the june 2nd show

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and then we're going to have a talk with

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carolyn corey and some of her

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technologies and covering uaps and then

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on june 16th of show i'm really excited

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about is whitley strieber and linda

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molten howe

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and then we've gone june 23rd we're

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going to have an experiences panel with

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marina syrin kamara jones adam apollo

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mary rodwell so that's making contact

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series we're going to go deeper

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definitely than we did today so

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thanks for joining us all if you're